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pledgeallegiancetothestruggle said: Why do you seem to be so conflicted over the song of achilles? Can you go further into what you're problems with it are? I'm still basking in the honeymoon glow of just finishing it. Is it narrative or historical issues?
@1 day ago with 65 notes
well to be honest most of my issues are with its portrayal of patroclus. it’s been a while since i read tsoa but when i read it i remember being really taken aback by his characterisation - there was so much stuff about him not enjoying fighting and being terrible at it and wanting to be a healer, and to me that’s completely irreconcilable with the patroclus of the iliad. in the iliad, patroclus is one of the greatest fighters among the greeks, so much so that the idea of him being mistaken for achilles himself was a workable plan. he loves fighting so much that he disobeys orders and goes chasing after the trojans so he can keep going. it literally takes the personal intervention of apollo to kill him. the love of battle is an enormous part of his character, and writing that out is a really baffling choice to me.
the charitable part of me says that miller, as a classics professor, might have been trying to evoke the greek idea of erastes/eromenos relationships, where one partner was always smaller, weaker and younger than the other - as far we know, it was the most acceptable type of male/male relationship at the time and the question of which roles achilles and patroclus took has been debated since pretty much as long as the iliad has been around, so the idea that their relationship would have fit that pattern isn’t exactly new. the less charitable part says that she might be playing into the idea that gay relationships consist of a “masculine”, strong, aggressive partner and a “feminine”, weak, peace-keeping partner, which is obviously not true.
the reason im so conflicted about it is that i think it’s really incredibly important to talk about the fact that cultural icons like achilles may not actually have been straight, partly just because it helps normalise the idea and partly because it breaks down people’s assumptions about what non-straight men are “supposed” to look like (see also: alexander). tsoa was a huge deal when it first came out and it definitely helped raise mainstream awareness, so im glad it exists, but at the same time i just… wish it had been done slightly differently?